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a company teamed up to build her a custom leg just for running. i want you to look at this. she is jging outside with her dad and she wants to inspire others to believe that their own abilities. those are great americans who have helped this girl live her dream. that wraps up this hour. i'll see you again at 11:00 a.m. right now a woman with more news. we are waking up the morning after looking at what the president did and did not mention and how it will impact the whole country. one sentence coming about six minutes after he wrapped up his speech. the controversial memo that has
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republicans and democrats up in arms for different reasons. the gop on their way to west virginia to see if they can get a deal done. we are due for potentially another shutdown one week from tomorrow. how about hearing from hillary clinton, what she said that stole some of the spotlight from the president's speech. i want to start with what the president said as he was leaving the capital in this hot mic moment. >> seeming to tell jeff duncan he would release a classified
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memo. duncan saved that seat for himself hours before the speech maybe to ask that very question. we have fnew word about the mem and when the president did or did not actually see it, right? >> reporter: that's right. she pressed on this earlier today. the take away is this is going to be a process laiden exercise to determine whether or not the president is going to release this to the public. take a listen to what she had to say earlier today. >> we are going to complete the legal and national security review that has to take place. >> is there any chance that the president does not release them? >> i think there's always a chance but again, i don't know. i haven't seen the memo. >> reporter: there you have sarah saying she hasn't seen the
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memo. we know it will be reviewed by the white house legal council. i am told there may be redactions before the final decision is made. we also have to say, if the president doesn't make a decision, that is effectively a decision. it would be released over the weekend. now, in terms of what this memo says, let's remind our viewers, we haven't seen the memo. >> we don't know. >> we don't know. >> but the thinking is they say look, it shows that there was some surveillance abuse by top officials at the fbi. so this is the sort of the
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heated debate. he will be meeting with americans and taking about tax reforms later today. >> and we'll have another opportunity to see and hear from the president. >> i'm joined now by charlie savage. charlie, talk us through this. there is a divide. the washington post reporting the doj is saying don't release it. we are concerned about this. what do we know? >> that is certainly true. i think we have to separate doj from the white house blg security officials charged with protecting national security and
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want to serve sources and met methods that may be spilled out as a result of this controversy. sit part of a political strategy by trump's allies in congress, particularly republicans who are going on offense as the best defense by turning this into a question not about what did russia do to interfere with our election, what is the explanation between the contacts, but rather saying the real scandal is the investigation and what steps they took to figure out the answer to those questions. >> and i'm talking about adam, the top democrat talking about what would happen if this actually does get released. i want you to listen to what he
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had to say. >> the goal is to put out a document that will set a narrative that helps the president and that narrative is the fbi is corrupt. what they are doing is corrupt. you should bring an end to this investigation. that is i think singularly destructive. >> it kind of jives be what your writing about. you say it the bob mueller's special investigation. >> anyone with eyes to see can see it. so what we think is in this memo specifically is the criticism of information that was put in an application for a wife tap order targeting carder page, a campaign official that was about to return to russia in the fual of 2016 because it used information from mr. steel who told the fbi directly but more or less the same thing. we think one of the reasons is it talks about that information as being what was sent to the
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court ploes importantly we think the memo goes onto point that mr. trump's signed offer on extending that application. so if that's a scandal. it is the only man standing between trump and mueller. >> right. so thank you for joining us from the new york times hq. chris, i want to keep the conversation with you here. as charlie is talking about there is discussion about the
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potential, future, the fate of robert mueller. i want to remind you about what you said about mueller's job security. >> i think he is considering perhaps terminating the special council. i think he is weighing that option. i think it's pretty clear what one of his lawyers said an television. i think it would be a significant mistake. >> are they lying or are you? >> i don't want to say anyone is lying. i never had information that he was actually thinking of firing mueller to the degree that he ordered it. it was information that i mentioned it. i didn't realize he was going to
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get that much news. the president has made very positive excellents about mueller. >> he has? >> he said recently -- >> yes. he said it was a very fair and i had no information he was thinking of firing muelle rshs now. >> what is his mood? what is his thought process? give me a sense of what his mood is about this. >> i will give a sense of what he has said publicly which is that he thinks that the investigation will be fair and that he thinks the investigation will be wrapped up fairly soon, that this is not going to go on forever. at the end of the day there's no evidence of collusion and there's no -- all of this now, this is a year and a half into
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this, where is the evidence of -- >> right. so nothing has been determined yet either way. >> well, the argument is -- >> there is an argument of obstruction of justice -- >> well, the logic here is you start an investigation the middle of political campaign there's no evidence of it. >> russia's interference with our democracy. >> no. they were pretty public about it. they used very flimsy evidence to open up the largest surveil oo answer of a political campaign -- >> so i'm going to -- >> we don't -- >> to surveil -- >> what we don't know is -- >> wait a second.
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>> there's no evidence of it when the president -- >> but again you have multiple -- >> let's just be clear -- >> flwe don't know what happene yet. wait a second. the president is or is not stewing about bob mueller. >> i have no evidence he is stewing about mueller. >> we have information he has taken steps to get mueller out of a job. >> he has not indicated that. >> what has he said about it? >> that there is no evidence of collusion. >> do you think he should sit down for an interview? >> like people say he wanted 100% to release this memo. it they have not inserted executive privilege -- >> wait a second. steve bannon is not -- >> very rarely have they
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asserted executive privilege -- >> tell us about the idea -- >> most would not give the -- >> wait a second. we talk about transparency, we are not even seeing white house visitor logs from this president. i have two more topics i want to hit you on which is the releasing of the memo. you heard the president saying yes, that memo should be released. it sounds like you are saying he should do it. he hasn't even seen it yet. how can he release something he hasn't seen? >> i'm saying that they have been in favor of releasing information so they can make a full decision on this. you have seen time and again a lot of things are being leaked against the president. when there's information that's against him it doesn't get out to the public. >> why the you think the president said he would release a memo he has not been briefed on or seen? >> i don't know. i can't comment on what they are doing inside.
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i think generally he had been very cooperative. you haven't seenful any stories where he has been fighting -- >> we have seen a lot about potentially directing people to order, to stop having the investigation. >> it is the circular logic here at msnbc -- >> i disagree with that -- >> well -- >> and what he says is political you're saying is obstruction. >> i'm not saying it's obstruction at all. let me ask you this. this was a moment when melania trump showed up separately. how are things between the president and first lady given allegations related to other allegations -- >> i'm not privy to any of the personal things but i believe
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they deeply love each other. >> you haven't seen any signs of discontent between the two? >> no. melania has very high approval ratings and is doing a great job as first lady. >> always a pleasure to have you on the show. we'll have you back. we'll talk more after the break specifically on the state of the union and specifically on what happened, what we saw when it came to immigration, a critical policy point. one of our favorite colleagues has been covering states of the union addresses for decades and will be joining us. when this bell rings... starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected.
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they are heading to west virginia right now five hours out into the west virginia country side. anything but a break of course. you have the gop on this immigrationment th immigration. this official schedule has them talking other stuff, right? >> yes. on the schedule there is nothing
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explicitly about immigration which has been the talker issue of the last several weeks. i'm sure this is the kind of thing that will come up. we will see lawmakers focusing a lot on what becomes their primary job which is to get reelected. they will have dinner and lunch with the vice president and president respectively. there will be one panel on infrastructure, the secretary of tran transportation. it's still a little bit of a ways away. >> correct. >> the one thing that will be interesting is there will be a lot of talk about the tax bill
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and about selling that in the 2018 midterm environment. if we circle it back around the president is also talking about the tax bill. so to me none of that suggests a particularly ambitious agenda for the rest of the year. it shows a lot about what they believe they want to campaign ongoing into november of this year. >> thank you so much. with us onset is tom brokaw. you watched that speech. did the president, when we talk about immigration make it easier or harder to get do a deal? >> i think he made it harder for democrats to come across the line. he is holding good cards. he has the house and the senate. in his constituency it's what they wanted to hear out there. it is all about the future of voting constituencies.
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the hispanic kplcommunity has b rising. there are more of them all of the time. so it is kind of a sub text to this. >> i sat down with a group of dreamers to talk to them about this exact issue. one of the pieces of the conversation, we said they don't have voting rights. how do they mobilize people to support them. is it really a mobilization issue? here is what some of them had to say. i want to talk about them after. >> i want to hear answers. i want to hear something he will do and change every time he has a different feeling. >> it is honestly frustrating hearing that the president changed his mind from one day to the next. >> our lives or important.
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our parents are important. >> if you really love this country do what is right and support us. we would like to support this country as well. >> if they stay here they will vote at some point. >> this is a lot about building another base within a party and the republican side trying to build a base opposed to all of the immigration. i have been covering this story for a long time. people say i don't want brown grand babies or i'm tired of hearing spanish language where ever i go. on the democratic side there are people from the ground up. they feel a very critical need
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in our economy. the president doesn't want to talk about that. if you sent everybody back i don't know what would happen in the fast food industry. they are being fuelled by people willing to take those jobs. >> and i think at a surface level the president may have been seeking to strike a tone with respect to reaching a deal on immigration. i think it is hard which is the iced immigration customs enforcement. they arrested people. when you hear from the criticism it's that this president will use his platform in a way that what they see is a coded language that seeks to criminalize this and make it much harder to get to a deal. >> you guys all heard it.
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there was booing at that moment and when republicans call chain migration. when he said something that wasn't true and talking about how people have unlimited ability that was not the case. there was booing there. joe was talking about what that moment meant for the possibility of a deal in the next eight days. >> he managed to tee off the far right and far left. now the reunification which has gotten a lot of democrats upset about -- >> you got the conserve tifativ here and there cht. >> it's not clear what tieype o
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coalition they are trying to build. the idea of a path to citizenship for 1.8 million people, that is a major expansion. it upsets people on the far right. there are a lot of things that were signals to democrats that this is not something they can get on board with. this line about americans are dreamers too, it has been interpreted as sort of an all lives platter approach to the immigration debate. it is something that sort of negates the value. people will hear it differently and people did hear it differently. >> and tom, was there anything you heard that validates the exercise of the state of the union from this president or any president? i'm curious. >> i tweeted maybe what we ought to do is eliminate the state of the union speeches because they become kind of cliche political statements. >> did last flignight change th?
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zpr they are kind of a dance, if you will. maybe we'll say let's have a few beers and shoot some hoops or do something and get down to the business. it is theater. it can be very effective in terms of how you want to con sal date your base and there is a certain majesty but everybody goes in the far corners. >> do you think it was effective for donald trump last night? >> i think it has been overlooked. i think it reassured his constituency. i haven't touched with a lot of them. they want them to shut up. they want to stop the tweeting. last night he was a more reasoned chief executive. >> later we'll talk to folks who said exactly that. they say, yeah, stop the tweeting. >> yeah. i do talk to a lot of his
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supporters. they all say the same thing. we'll see what happens. >> so great to have you onset, tom. >> coming up, we want to dive into why president trump is reversing another obama era policy and what he is doing about north korea too. by the way, a couple of headlines including one from the cdc. we'll be have it if for you after the break. [ keyboard clacking ] [ click, keyboard clacking ] ♪ good questions lead to good answers. our advisors can help you find both. talk to one today and see why we're bullish on the future. yours.
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the head of the cdc is stepping down. newly sworn in alex azar has accepted fitzgerald resignation. spokesperson says her financial interests limit her anbility to complete all of her duties. the th is as the country is going through bun of the worst flu seasons in years.
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fema will officially stop sending food and water to puerto rico. they say the government is going to hand out the food and water still left until it runs out. they add there are plenty of supplies already there. you members of congress asking them to reconsider. >> larry nassar is back in court today for another sentencing this time in michigan where he pleaded guilty. 57 women haare expected to spea again this week. it follows the sentencing last week after 156 women confronted their doctor. this week somone biled opened up. >> i think it's hard for some one to go through what i have gone through recently. it is very hard to talk about. other than that i think the judge is my hero just because she gave it to him straight and didn't let him get any power over any of the girls and letting the girls go and speak was very powerful. >> he can't hurt you anymore. >> no. he cannot.
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>> she sentenced nassar to up to 175 years in prison last week. >> foreign policy played prominently in the address. listen. >> north korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear missiles could very soon threaten our homeland. we are waging a campaign to prevent that from ever happening. past experience has taught us that complacency and concessions only invite aggression and provocation.
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>> all right. let's play it by our numbers. the president mentioned north korea severn times, isis 6, ira 3 and afghanistan only twice. we are still at war in that country. thank you for joining us here. you have this washington post headline. it comes after the guy who is supposed to be involved in the region warned against this so called bloody nosed thing. explain this here. >> so he is a hawk on north korea. he is not a hawk in any stretch. the fact that what he is saying some how off foeended the administration. it is a strike that lets him know that the u.s. is serious about enforcing whatever red lines we established. to me what we learned didn't necessarily come from the state of the union.
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we have a shot of that. >> the wind for how long the u.s. has seems to be closing. they also seem to be closing on the time they can expect any sort of long-time. >> yes. >> and talking about a handful of months. >> yes. we also heard about guantanamo. this is a new policy but significantly it is a reversal of an old policy that was going to close guantanamo. >> i'm not sure it will have much of a difference. most of the isis fighters they
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are capturing are being captured by syrian defense. it is difficult to close guantanamo. the challenge was always to close it. >> it is a good talking point for him. >> it projects this toughness. i think the criticism is that 16 years after phone line 11 you haven't had the conspirators brought to trial. they have tried and convicted thousands in the same time. the effectiveness is what's being called to question. >> yeah. and president obama was to sign an executive order to close guantanamo. >> this is in line with everything president trump has said and done for the last year which is did obama do that? let me do the other thing. >> were you surprised he didn't talk more about afghanistan? >> not really. the president hasn't made it a cornerstone of his presidency. he hasn't visited.
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you had other high profile visited. we haven't seen it from president trump yet. >> it's not a good news story. >> why would he talk about it? thanks. great to see you. they decided they wanted to weigh in on their message. we have the hot takes from two former press secretaries coming up after the break. oh! there's one. manatees in novelty ts? surprising. what's "come at me bro?" it's something you say to a friend. what's not surprising? how much money matt saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
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all right. so listen, bottom line for president trump, a few surprises, a few mistakes. some emotional moments. what happens tomorrow morning if he gets up and starts tweeting. some say they are watching to see what happens next. >> how long do you think this will last? >> he will say something on twitter that will shock everybody. i am worried about within the week he is going to say something on twitter and pick a bite with somebody and anything good that he said will get lost in the fury over the dumb thing that he said. >> joining me now is founding
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partner at hamilton place strategies. josh earnest is here too. lover having you both on. thank you. tony, i'll start with you. you're overseas, so there's a little bit of a delay in your microphone. i want to talk about donald trump's kplcommunication staff. it's a tough task to keep the messaging going, no? >> it is, absolutely. i think it's a constant pressure for them in the white house. we saw it last week. he gave a spech with a tele
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prompter that was well received there and we saw it again last night. aside from the inaugural address, when he sticks to the script it is easier for them to manage. i think they know it will be a constant deal with him not only when he gets up and tweets but when he gets out and is speak at rallies, speaking without a script he will say things in the normal hot language that he uses. >> some times i feel like we have seen she movie before. within a week or whatever it totally changes things. by the way, some democrats among them said when they were asked what their advice would be for the president. i want you to both listen. >> if ru could give him one piece of advice what would it be? >> tone it down. >> don't start a trade war. >> pick a side and stay on it.
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>> stick with what you talked about. >> take the high road. >> tone it down. >> catch more flies with sugar than vinegar. >> he needs to stop going rogue and stick to the things that are important to people. >> here is what voters said last year after the joint address to congress a year ago. listen. [ no audio ] >> live tv means we don't have that sound. it was almost exactly the same thing. i have heard this message from trump voters. at this point it is not going change. at what point do we say this is what we got and this is what it's going to be? >> i think his voters know that or that's what they going to get. the people who are still strong trump that the white house sees as problematic. you know, but it is some of the language he used on immigration, for example.
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>> yeah. >> i think it wasn't taken the way they hoped it would be. >> look, i think the other challenge that the trump team faces here in trying to keep some momentum going from a speech that seemed to be generally well reserved is that there wasn't much talk about the future in that speech. we know that the winning recipe for politics, whether you're a democrat or republican, and tony's boss was good at this, too, is talk about the future. give people a sense you have a plan and vision for the future. people definitely look at politics and leade -- politicia leaders, and there was nothing about the president's speech that was forward looking. it was all what happened over the last year. but the policy proposals, talking about immigration as a national security risk, clean col coal, that's not the future of this country. it'll limit their ability to be able to convey this message over the long term and make a longer term argument about what he's doing as the president of the united states. >> did you find anything
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effective in his speech? what was positive? what worked for his speech? >> the thing that worked for him is sort of basks in t ing in th emotion of the people in the gallery. >> the guests. >> those were compelling stories. the staff found those compelling stories and he highlighted them. he wasn't eloquent in introducing them. i noticed in the speech that he kept awkwardly acknowledging them again after there was already applause for them. it sapped a little emotion from the moment. it wasn't well executed but there was enough emotion in there. that is something that we see. donald trump is very successful atling anger but there aren't other emotions he's able to channel. they were able to effectively use the guests last night. >> joe kennedy, congressman kennedy's response, good, bad, effective, not effective, memorable, not memorable? >> impossible task he carried out well. a cheering crowd talking about
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democratic values was an effective contrast. >> your thoughts on congressman kennedy? >> in the role, you don't want to blow it, right? we see a lot of people do that and blow it. i was trying to figure out what the car was doing in the background, with the open hood. it was a little distracting. look, he didn't wreck his chances for the future. that's all you want to do in that situation. >> mid-speech oil change and all. tony, josh, thank you for coming on and talking through that. we want to stick on this conversation with democrats. as we've said, we're highlighting this new face in the state of the union response. one of the responses. but hillary clinton took some of the spotlight right before that speech started. what she said on facebook and how that affected the message from the dems overnight. that's next. ♪ one is the only number ♪ that you'll ever need ♪ staying ahead isn't about waiting for a chance. it's about the one bold choice you make,
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union speech. didn't mention donald trump. instead, it hit on recent reports about how she addressed accusations of sexual harassment against one of her aides during her 2008 presidential campaign. at the time, clinton chose not to fire him. instead, he was docked pay, sent to counseling. now, she regrets that decision. she writes, quote, i very much understand the question i'm being asked, as to why i let an employee on my 2008 campaign keep his job, despite his inappropriate workplace behavior. the short answer is this, if i had to do it again, i wouldn't. joining me now is jonathan allen, national political reporter for nbc news and co-author about two books about hillary clinton. you both covered clinton during 2016. our colleague from the campaign reached out to her spokesperson who said, it is simply when she finished writing it. it is why she posted it minutes before the state of the union speech went off.
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how much pressure was on her to address this aide who was accused of sexual harassment? >> there was pressure in her circle, people across the country. if you put this out before the state of the union, one of two things happens. it gets less news attention or distracts from what should be a great moment for donald trump, right? >> yeah. >> you're doing it at a time when it won't step on good news for democrats. it is helpful for her. i thought it was a reflective moment. if you go through the facebook page, she's trying to explain what was she thinking at the time, what she's thinking now. she says she made a mistake. she wouldn't do it again if presented with the same circumstances. and she says, we're all on our second chance now. i really thought it was the most important thing she said in the entire piece. everybody that has been a perpetrator, everybody that's been an employer, we already know. the first chance is over. everyone is on their second chance.
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>> there has been some criticism, as you know, that the -- you know, the "new york times" first to report this story, that it happened almost ten years ago. why are we talking about this now? and there are some in hillary clinton's circle who have sort of pushed back on the idea. >> i think because she is such a prominent figure in national politics and so much of her career has been rooted in being an advocate for women, there is bound to be interest in this incident having transpired. there is a fixation by critics of hillary clinton, as well as the president and republicans, to continue and frame any debate as republicans versus hillary clinton, though she is no longer on the ballot. >> private citizen hillary clinton. >> what this is really about though is a reckoning as part of the me too movement. there are many women, too, who are re-evaluating what they could have done when victims came forward to them. did they take action to protect them? this fits into how it is difficult to grapple with allegations against one of your own. >> what if this were a male candidate and this happened?
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she writes how it was unique in that it was a women who reported harassment to another woman. it was a woman boss. she believes a woman boss has an extra responsibility to look out for the women who work for her and better understand how issues like these can affect them. >> this statement was very much a hillary clinton statement. through and through. including a little stahade she cast on the "new york times," which is not entirely surprising coming from hillary clinton, who had a rough relationship with the "new york times." but questioning the "new york times" decision to give one of their own reporters a second chance. >> final thoughts very briefly? >> i would associate myself with what the two of them said and just say i think it is worth a read for those who haven't read it. >> john allen, thank you very much. camero thank you all. coming up, our big picture. thise dog grooming palace. laura can clean up a retriever that rolled in foxtails,
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guys, today's big picture is out of this world. i hate myself a little for saying that. check it out. if you got up early today, you may have seen this. very rare. super blue blood moon. it is a lunar eclipse of a full moon. when it passes through earth's shadow, it looks red/orange. it is also a blue moon. second full moon of the month. a super moon on of that, which means it is closest to the earth's orbit as it can get. this is the first time you've been able to see a moon like
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this in more than 150 years in the western hemisphere. we love to hear your thoughts on facebook, twitter, snapchat and instagr instagram. i turn it over to the capable hands of my colleagues, ali velshi and stephanie ruhle. last day in d.c. >> did you see the moon? >> i was up early but not looking at moons. >> i was up late but not looking at the moon. >> we'll wish you when back in new york. >> thanks, guys. i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. >> it is wednesday, january 31st. we're breaking down the state of the union. >> the state of our union is strong because our people are strong. this, in fact, is our new american moment. since the election, we have created 2.4 million new jobs. we are finally seeing rising


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